Discussion #3

Discussion 3

Leader: Kevin

Note Taker: Luke

1: why do you think Mr. Jagers washes himself so meticulously? How is this ironic?



Kevin: I feel he washes so often because he is trying to wash away the grime of his work. he is a lawyer and  ALWAYS wins even if his client is a criminal and did the crime. he is trying to rid himself of the bad deeds he does every day. this is ironic because his house is in need of repairs.

Henry: I believe that it is also ironic because he is morally ambiguous in his work as a lawyer but he wants to cleanse himself so meticulously despite being a grimy individual.

Luke: I agree with you two, as a lawyer he is required to do a lot of dirty work that is “moral grime”.

2. What does the state of Jagger’s house tell about the man?

Kevin: The poor state of his house shows that Jagger’s life is in his work, he has no time to focus on his home while he is working.

Henry: I agree. He is too wrapped up into his work to care about anything like his home or other hobbies.

Luke: The poor condition the house is in because his job takes up too much time and energy for him to be able to keep other things together.

3:Why does Pip dread seeing Joe, one of his closest childhood friends?

Kevin: Pip feels he is a gentleman and a person of the upper class. Joe is a common blacksmith. Joe is in Pip’s eyes, not worthy. Also, Estella has convinced Pip that his past life will not suit him and he should avoid Joe.

Henry: Pip is becoming snobbish and prejudiced and he fears judgement from his new upper-class peers if he is going to be seen with a simple blacksmith.

Luke: Pip has lost respect for Joe because Pip now feels superior to him and is embarrassed to be seen with him.

4. How is Pip’s actions towards his servant, the Avenger, ironic?

Kevin: Pip is in serious debt and complains to his servant about it, constantly. He could just fire the boy to save himself some money and pay off his debts.

Henry: The Avenger represents all of the frivolous spending Pip indulges in and when he complains to the Avenger about these money troubles, it creates a funny juxtaposition.

Luke: The Avenger shows how lavish Pip tries to live and how much money he’s wasted and is ironic because Pip was once below the level of that boy and now looks down on him.