Discussion #2

Discussion #2

Note Taker was Henry Sledz

Discussion Leader was Luke Leslie

1.How do you describe pips relationship with Joe?

Kevin: Pip and Joe’s relationship, at first, is like bestfriends, but Joe is still seen by Pip as a father figure. As the story progresses, however, Pip feels more ashamed of Joe, sorry to be connected to a common worker.

Luke: Pip and Joe have a close relationship and enjoy each others company although sometimes Pip feels a little embarrassed for Joe.

Henry: Joe is more of a friend to Joe than a father. Joe doesn’t talk down to Joe ut treats him as an equal and a friend. They both share the burden of dealing with Mrs. Joe’s abuse and I think that that is one of the things that they bond over most.

Jeremy: Well, I think that Joe and Pip really bond because they live under Mrs. Joe’s abuse just like you said Henry.

2.When does Pip feel first he has great expectations?

Kevin: I feel it's when he leaves Joe for Mrs. Havisham, he finds people who are different and he feels he has expectations of him to impress them and become like them.

Luke: Pip first feels great expectations when he is sent to London by Mr. Jaggers and much maturity is expected out of him.

Henry: I think that it is when he first goes to Miss Havisham’s. While there, he gets his first taste of high society and he wants to one day be a part of it.

Jeremy: I think that Pip first feels great expectations in our story when he works in the forge. He loves Joe more than anyone else and he didn’t want to let him down.

3.What did Miss Havisham raise Estella to do?

Luke: Miss Havisham’s goal for Estella was to grow up and have a cold heart and and to never be the dominant in a relationship. She also wanted her to break the hearts of other men.

Kevin: Yeah I agree with Luke. Miss Havisham raises Estella to avenge her broken heart. Miss Havisham molds Estella into who Miss Havisham wants her to be, not who Estella is.

Henry: I think that Miss Havisham rose Estella to be a cold and mean woman just like her. Miss Havisham is bitter after her failed marriage and views Estella as a way to get back at the world.

Jeremy: I agree with you guys. Miss Havisham raised Estella to be a cold woman just like her to spite the world.

4.How do the marshes represent Pip’s life?

Luke: He grew up living a rough life being raised by his tough sister and no parents which is a dark and gloomy life while a marsh, including the one outside his home, are a dark, misty area.

Kevin: I feel the marshes represent danger to Pip. when he goes into the marshes early in the book, he find escaped convicts, who are a threat to his life. Later on, he travels through the marshes to get to London and become a gentleman this is a danger to his character and morality.

Henry:I agree, Kevin. I think that they not only represent danger, but the dangers of the real world to be more specific. The examples you gave are both examples of how this world really works.

Jeremy: I agree more with Luke actually. While the marshes do hold danger, it is the kind of danger that Pip has faced his whole life.